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Khramaya 30.09.2009 09:04

Sveta, I totally agree with your point #1.
There was actually a precedent by a liberal ( and I know this judge personally) judge about 4 years ago to forbid a woman to have more children and it proved to be not enforcible because of all kinds of idiotic things:
***********.thefreelibrary.com/New+York+judge+orders+drug-addicted+moms+to+have+no+more+children-a0130647487

Светлана Гэмм 30.09.2009 09:36

btw, if we looked just at the data/statistics, probably Obama wouldn't be born..;-)..I am sure statistics was not on his side..............
I just think someone is using this study to support their views ;-) without looking deeper at other factors that have contributes to crime before/after RoevWade..........

Mike 30.09.2009 09:52

btw, if we looked just at the data/statistics, probably Obama wouldn't be born.

errrr..... what? did we study different statistics? event of Obama being born has a probability of 1. As it already happened.
There are different reasons why the crime spiked.. the main reason being loose laws in the 60ies probably. By the way, murder rate in 2008 is back to the level of 1964 or so.

Светлана Гэмм 30.09.2009 10:03

event of Obama being born has a probability of 1. As it already happened.
Why? someone has to become president in order to be considered worthy living? or his mom never had an opportunity to even consider an abortion because he was born before Roe v Wade........anyway we never find out unless people are born...we can just make sure we (our government) are not encouraging irresponsible behavior - having kids without being able to raise them............
Thereare different reasons why the crime spiked..
how about the reason I gave you? Disintegration of the traditional family? Don't most criminals come from broken or single parent families?.................

Mike 30.09.2009 10:12

the first part i don't even know how to answer. as i am confused.
as on the second - i am sure there is a positive correlation between single parent households and crime rate.

Khramaya 30.09.2009 10:17

there seems to be, indeed, a correlation - i just searched family structure and delinquency rates:
***********.marriagedebate.com/pdf/imapp.crimefamstructure.pdf

Khramaya 30.09.2009 10:22

in the case of IQ as predictor of success, it is not that easy...
it is definitely a big factor, but there are so many other factors, that it is really hard to prioritize them.
Just an example of one of those discussions:
***********.danielgoleman.info/blog/2007/03/13/the-trouble-with-iq/

Светлана Гэмм 30.09.2009 10:34

the first part was about not necessarily getting rid of the unborn child, but making the right conclusion and making the best of the situation people find themselves in...but very often by supporting behavior that's not in the best interest of the child (providing financial to drug users who continue to have more kids without being able to take care of them, not financially or emotionally), we, as a society contribute to crime......

Mike 30.09.2009 11:34

Svetlana, i agree.. making the best decision is the important part.. the mother needs to be able to decide if it's the right thing for her and her family.

Светлана Гэмм 01.10.2009 00:35

Миш, доборе утро! :-)
So, you all the non-believers don't the follow the religious doctirnes like - don't kill, don't still, etc, thus they are not nuts...What do you think the effect on crime would be if get rid of those doctrines and legalize them??...


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