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Эдуард Кмэд 04.10.2009 17:46

Магия
больших цифр или арифметика по-Пелерману!
Во всех дебатах, спорах и обсуждениях в обеих палатах конгресса проекта Обамовской реформы здравоохранения все стороны забывают основной вопрос ради чего Обама затеял эту «ботягу». Он сам и озвучил вовсеуслышание основную цель или ключевое слово.
Не
буду загадывать загадки, как с Булгаковским «Законом об оскорблением Его Величества», а сразу к «телу»

Эдуард Кмэ 04.10.2009 17:48

Обама заявил -
«Реформа нужна, чтобы сделать медицинскую страховку обязательной

для 47 миллионов американцев не имеющих мед. покрытия. Это как со страхованием автомобилей, «купил - изволь страховать.»
300,000.000
авто х $1000 (сред. цена страховки) = $300B, вот такая
Страховая индустрия. Цифры почти «от лукавого», желающие могут проверить

Эдуард Кмэда 04.10.2009 17:49

А «петель», как говорила моя маленькая Яночка, вернемся к Перельману.
47 миллионов
осчасливенных Обамой наградят обязательной мед. Страховкой, Цена этой страховки определена телефщнными предложениями Говернмента $3 в день мед. Покрытие или $3x365=$1095 в год (Стоимость одного гамбургера в день, стоит ли об этом жалеть).

Эдуард Кмэд 04.10.2009 17:50

47,000,000x$1095 = $50,475B
обязательных поборов а год и это только с вновь
«осчасливленных», а для счастливчиков, которые ранее имели на производствах
135 миллионов работающих американцев обязательная страховка по $2000-3000 в год - 135,000,000x$2500=$337,5B.
Плюс 15,000,000x$1000=15B для 9,8% потерявших работу.
Итого, который всегда больше всех получает,

Эдуард Кмэ 04.10.2009 17:52

$50,475+$337,5+15B=$404B
живых денег, взятых у народа Обязательно, не считая пенальти, без которых Демократы просто не могут, по $3500 с семьи и с бизнеса, если не на что купить, чтобы бизнес не закрыть. А главное котнроль государста над почти 0.5 триллионной медицинской индустрией в год, как говорил великий дедушка Ленин, - «Социализм - это учет» И впереди Обама на красном коне с картины Петрова-Водкина на пути в светлое будующее социализма в Америки.

Эдуард Кмэд 04.10.2009 17:54

Бедные конгрессмены головы ломают, где взять
$900B
на десять лет, а здесь 4 Триллиона и под полным Гос. Контролем.
Правда, возникает вопрос, где набрать столько котролеров, координаторов, инструкторов, инспекторов, врачебных комиссий, судебных арбиторов и царей, чтобы этой махиной руководить, но с нами «Б-г», который все это сам осилит.
Пост Фактум.
Когда вас останавливает полицнйский, первое, что он делает -Этопробивает по базе данных наличие к вас страховки на машину, Но сколько их полисмэнов и какая она эта база данных?!?…

Светлана Гэмм 06.10.2009 12:07

The most interesting fact is that when they mocked Palin on SNL with "I can see Russia from my house", Obama voters really thought that she had said it, and it was not Tina Fey...

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:00

Svetlana, if you really look into it, SNL had actually caused McCain's loss. Palin was supposed to be his meal ticket. They sensed it early and decided to kill her using the best and the brightest. You can be ofn any persuasaion but Tina Fey is talented and powerful. The left is doing the same thing to Ayn Rand, for Christ sake, the woman who's been dead for 21 years. Did you see the latest Time magazine?

Alex Doi 06.10.2009 13:09

Mac cause Mac to lose, no one else.
As for latest SNL skit, they mock Obama for notbeing socialist enough. Hardly they would prefer Mac, nevermind Palin (though fiasco in Demark could be a nice preview of what's coming in 2012).

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:11

Time. The magazine. There are two books that came out about her. The article is being masqueraded as a review. As you know the sales of Atlas Shrugged have soared in past year. It's on the 33rd spot right now. They are scared. For past 40 years they are not used to people reading stuff that they did not put in your hands. The article informs of her affair with an 18 y.o. at the age of 50, insinuates that she changed her mind 108 degrees too often. Portrays her a s drug addicted chain smoker. The usual. Just smear.

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:15

Alex, Mike. 48 to 52. NOTHING ???? else mattered but the economy? If it wasn't for Oprah and Tina Fey, Palin could have collected those 4 missing female percent easily.

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:23

Well, I saw two large African American ladies in the rest top in NC looking over Palin's resignation news. One of them said "But she could see Russia from her house..." and slapped her knee in bewildered laughter. That's exactly a problem. Fey makes jokes to tongue-in-cheek intellectuals but YouTube, JayLeno and a minister on Sunday put it in a more pedestrian form.

Mike 06.10.2009 13:24

Oleg.. nothing :) 90% of people in this country will vote the same way no matter what.. the election is about 10% swing vote.. or even less probably.. 4% is a big win.

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:31

Well, a beautiful, powerful, funny, newcomer female Governor was supposed to make a dent. Instead, she got buried alive.

Светлана Гэмм 06.10.2009 13:34

it happens to all conservative women...:-)...it's against the "law" to be prolife and be a female (in the liberal minds) - it breaks all their stereotype that only men are against abortions to keep them enslaved (md) ...AND to give birth to a Down syndrome baby..

Олег Сах 06.10.2009 13:37

True. Condoleeza Rice got nothing for being first African American female secretary of state. That latest Attorney General was greeted as if he invented water or something.

Лина 06.10.2009 14:00

Condoleeza would have been a better choice - too bad McCain didn't find her attractive.

Светлана Гэмм 06.10.2009 14:03

same innuendos continue...Rice has said numerous times - SHE DOESN'T WANT TO RUN FOR ANYTHING...

Мария 06.10.2009 15:07

Palin is going to get her revenge:-D Her upcoming book "Going Rogue" which is not published yet is already a best-seller online.(v) You go, girl! Get your well deserved millions, and kick that Mac's ass!

Мария 06.10.2009 15:26

I wonder, what do individuals with bumper stickers "Free Tibet" and "Hope and Change" on the same car feel these days? (ch)
Obama snubbed Dalai Lama to appease China: Telegraph BarackObama somehow couldn’t carve out any time in his busy — nay, Olympian —schedule to meet with the Dalai Lama, despite almost two decades ofprecedents for presidential tetes-a-tetes with the Tibetan leader-in-exile. The Telegraph reports that the decision is no scheduling accident, but a deliberate snub predicated on diplomatic pressure from China:
It means Mr Obama will become the first president not towelcome the Nobel peace prize winner to the White House since the DalaiLama began visiting Washington in 1991.

Alex Doi 06.10.2009 23:42

I saw two large African American ladies in the rest top in NC looking over Palin's resignation news. One of them said "But she could see Russia from her house..." and slapped her knee in bewildered laughter. That's exactly a problem.

Exactly? You do think those ladies would vote Mac if there was no Palin, don't you?

Mike 07.10.2009 00:26

Oleg, don't be naive :) Palin was brought in in order to energize the religious base of the party. McCain was way too centrist in order to get uber-conservatives to make a trip to the voting booths.
They (McCains people) miscalculated a bit.. I mean if you watch even a VERY soft Couric interview she showed herself to be uhm.. not highly intelligent.
A lot of moderate republicans/independent were turned off by her..

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 00:40

McCain is a social/religious conservative himself with 100% record on all social positions..he's been somewhat moderate or moved to the left since 2000 on some issues (environment, finance reform - which he became a victim of himself- was against Bush's tax cuts on the grounds of not cutting spendings at the same time, etc.).
Palin did energize the base because she's been a solid conservative on all issues...Couric interview :-) - she didn't answer what publications she reads :-) she said it was kinda insulting to be asked this kind of questions, assuming they don't read the same press in Alaska...no one can ever point out what she ever did stupid as a governor, only to that interview...giving a good interview doesn't mean the person is intelligent..Obama and Biden have had much more gaffe, and have been given a pass...this is the double standard republicans have to live with because of the liberal media...(sr)

Mike 07.10.2009 00:54

Svetlana... McCain even stated that he believes in evolution and that creationism should not be taught in schools..
A stark contrast with Palin..
Couric interview was only one of many where she showed herself less then bright.. i mean she's not dumb.. but about average.. 100 on the IQ scale i am guessing..
I hope for more for someone who can potentially run a country.

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 01:13

You really think that someone's position on evolution and creationism tells us how good president they would be? :-) and Palin never ran for president, and she didn't say not to teach the evolution...what she said was we can teach both, and it's not like it makes the difference what she thinks about it (I am sure Bush would agree with her about it. So was Bush able to influence anything in that area in education?)...
You are right - economy was the turning point, and moderates and independents were swayed to Obama the last minute...but because Palin was portrayed как последняя дура, even after her excellent debate with Biden, where Biden said 14 things that were factually wrong...
Don't get me wrong - I am not sayiing Palin was ready to be president, but she was not running for one, and compared to Obama she is no less ready or not less intelligent, and her positions and record show that...at least she's never been surrounded with communists, socialists, terrorists and anti-semites

Mike 07.10.2009 01:20

Sveta, do you read what i write, or there are voices in your head that interpret it for you? :)

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 01:36

yeah, I have voices in my head...(tr) is it because I don't look at things exactly you do? :-) it's funny, Mike, I agree with you on about 80% of things that you write, but you seem to never agree with me...(tr) is it mathematically possible?...:-)
about IQ, my IQ is much higher than 100, and I don't think I could be a governor...so her IQ must be higher than mine or average...don't you think?

Alex Doi 07.10.2009 01:43

McCain is a social/religious conservative with 100% rating

If only. Senator John McCain's lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union is 82.3%. It's not high (39th place among senators), buthis 80% only due to his high ratings in 1990s. His most recent rating - 65%.

Лина 07.10.2009 01:46

Teach both??? How can we teach both, if creationism is not based on scientific research? And what ever happened to separating church and state?
I am sure Bush would agree with her about it. So was Bush able to influence anything in that area in education?)...
.
No, he only managed to put a halt on stem cell research.
.
but because Palin was portrayed как последняя дура,
.
ne poslednyaya, but she's up there... and please stop comparing her to Obama - she's not in the same league.

Mike 07.10.2009 01:46

it's not HOW you look at things, it's how you read what i wrote.
here is what I see.
ME> McCain was more centrist
You> McCain was 100% conservative
Me> He was against teaching creationism and supports evolution
You> That would not make him a better president
me (md) (md) (md) (md) (md) (md)

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 01:49

this is a rating for all his positions, I was taking about his social positions (because the argument was made that Palin was chosen to energize the religious base)- abortions, gay marriage...he has not been a solid conservative on many issues since 2000 (probably mad at his party for choosing Bush over him in 2000), that's why his ratings slipped...and I am sure Bush doesn't get 100% ratings either - Bush has not been very conservstive on many things...

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 01:54

Mike, оставим...ты сам не читаешь, что я пишу...ты сказал, что Palin was picked because of her religious positions, all I said that she had very similiar SOCIAL postions as McCain and she was picked because of her good and solid record on ALL issues - you misread or misunderstand what I want to say - religious conservatives don't just look at social postions, they also look at other postions, because they are conservatives on other issues...
Again, I am just stating my opinion and how I see it form the conservsative side, and you don't have to agree with me...

Лина 07.10.2009 02:00

he has not been a solid conservative on many issues since 2000 (probably mad at his party for choosing Bush over him in 2000)
.
so his position on various issues is based on how he's trated by his party?

Mike 07.10.2009 02:00

i am missreading???
You really think that someone's position on evolution and creationism tells us how good president they would be?
please indicate where i possibly said anything or implied about evolution -> quality of presidency link.

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 02:04

Mike, проехали...:-) (v) (F)
all I was saying it was NOT relevant...even to religious conservstives...it's not WHY they favored Palin over McCain - it's because of her overrall record and loyalty to the principles...

Alex Doi 07.10.2009 02:40

I was taking about his social positions

What do you think ACU includes in its ratings? If you exclude his defense voting record and votes on budget - the rest (social) is completely abysmal.

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 02:50

***********.conservative.org/archive2/2008potus.asp
you can look up all the issues they rate people on - immigration, budget, taxes, regulation, tort-reform, troops in Kosovo...many more...
Someone like Obama gets an 8, McCain gets life-time 83! - pretty conservative to me...

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 03:26

yeah, it's exactly the point I was making that McCain has NOT been a solid conservative (from the very conservative point of view)but still is pretty conservative, AND it doesn't reflect his stance on social issues! (he is still pro-life and pro-traditional marriage),and Palin was favored by other conservatives not necessarily because of social issues, but because she was more to the right on issues such as energy, for example as ANWAR...
the argument about evolution is the argument that liberal media makes to paint her as extreme and it's not relevant to her record or her being picked as VP...
and what is the point you are trying to make?

Mike 07.10.2009 03:56

i don't see much benefit in drilling anywhere actually.. we have a monster oversupply of oil..

Светлана Гэмм 07.10.2009 04:00

how about energy iindependence from mid-east oil?
remember in 2008, when they only started talking about drilling off shore, the oil prices went down right away...


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