Cash for Clunkers program. Funds are running out. Hurry up idiots, last year ...
 

Cash for Clunkers program. Funds are running out. Hurry up idiots, last year they foreclosed on your house that you couldn't afford, next year they will repo your car that you ..... still can't afford

Кто не знаком с программой - ***.cars.gov
ОК, ОК, это отличная программа и сейчас непременно найдется человек который скажет "А вот мы как раз с женой собирались поменять свой 1995 FORD F-250 на новую машину и на те, такая замечательная возможность"
И если-б эта программа длилась уже, ну скажем, 3-5 месяцев мне бы и в голову сомнения не пришли. Но учитывая то что миллиард долларов был потрачен за несколько викендов или даже дней, и сейчас конгресс даёт ещё 2 миллиарда у меня возникают сомнения, кто "набросился" на эту программу? Этот ажиотаж напоминает мне adjustable rate mortgage.
Возможно ли что те, которые покупают Brand new car скоро поймут что у них brand new car and insurance payment и что эту покупку они сделали только потому, что не могли пропустить такую "возможность"?

Славик,
The good news is - the people have money to spend.
The bad news is, the money is most likely borrowed ... again.
In addition, I agree with your statement below. and... the wave of the spending of the consumers will give a false feeling of the recovering economy, while major indicators, like employment and actual wages (etc...) are still in steep decline.
Cheers...(D)

1. А почему государство вмешивается в такую интимную часть нашей жизни как покупка новой машины? Те кто имел дело с дилерами, поймет, почему "интимную". Бензин вроде бы не является дефицитом и продается по рыночным законам.
2. По этой программе дилер обязуется уничтожить принятую машину до пепла. Не очень приятно что государство отдает наши с вами деньги за уничтожение нормальных работающих автомобилей. Жалко. А еще, кто знает что чистые, кристальной души люди, просто святые - кар дилеры их действительно уничтожают. На баржу и в ДР ?

Cash for Clunkers is actually for really old cars which are not very fuel efficient... So the program actually helps the environment and stimulates the economy...

The good news is - the people have money to spend.
The bad news is, the money is most likely borrowed ... again.
Gera, of course borrowed. Those who have cash to pay for a new car don't have clunkers to trade in that was registered and insured on their name for at least one year (Rule. See cars.gov)
Jenya, you are mistaking if you think this program is for "really old cars", rule says - it has to be less then 25 y.o. and have 18 miles per gallon fuel efficiency. It could be a 2 y.o. car if you are willing to give it up for $4500

I like how they spent 3 billion dollars without asking me. It's like Mother (big brother) knows best. What comes after a trillion?
How does the environment like millions of tons of trash that the clunkers will produce? One way to help mother nature is to get off the planet, not produce more garbage. Or, maybe, Obama will finally live up to his divinity status and turn trash into treasure (we'll have to pay, of course)
And let's borrow 40 thousand dollars to get a set of wheels and an exorbitant interest rate in lieu of a loan-free car we had. Most of us will default on payments and car dealers and banks will go crazy with repos and loss of revenue. Thus, we'll bail them out, AGAIN.
There's something called a learning curve. We seem to have lost ours.

Hey Гера dude,
maybe we should combine Health Care Reform and Cash for Clunkers programs under new slogan
Clunk qualified person* and get $10K tax credit
* To qualify person must be (pick one):
Illegal immigrant
Uninsured US citizen
Anyone over 70 y.o.
Welfare recipient
Republican
Call Biden, do you have his website number? ;-)

I like how they spent 3 billion dollars without asking me.
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Did the other administration ask you when they were wasting spending your money?
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How does the environment like millions of tons of trash that the clunkers will produce?
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I might be wrong, but I believe scrap metal gets recycled.

Because of different metals and oils, car recycling process is very complicated, expensive and not environmentally friendly.

This is what I found online regarding car recycling: There are indeed some environmental hazards that can come from any recycling process. After all, it does require energy and a factory to process these materials. However, this process is more eco-friendly than harvesting virgin metals. Instead of harming the earth through the processes of mining, we can reuse the materials already harvested.
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********earth911.com/automotive/auto-parts/how-miscellaneous-car-parts-are-recycled/

I can't argue about what's more eco-friendly, but below statement sounds like written by someone not familiar with recycling process and using general terms.
When recycling car you would have to separate different metals, plastic, rubber, etc., first and then burn/melt whatever you can't separate. Somewhat of a standard process when you recycle components with different metals, because different metals melt at different temperatures therefore naturally separating.
Sounds not very eco-friendly if compared to mining.
I seen somewhere on internet a cost of recycling car is $1300. Not sure if its true so don't quote me.

*earth911.com*
Lina, don't hesitate to quote any site that instructs us to love each other, buy every bad person a puppy, and through it achieve a perfect world of peace & beauty. Can't wait to read it.

I like how these eco-friendly peacenick commie hippie tree huggers haven't the first clue about what they're talking about. How much energy goes into recycling, transportation, etc. Any thinking person understands that these gas guzzlers were better off on the road. But they see the word green or gas emissions reduction and they go ga-ga.

Polyurethane products (floor mats and truck bed liners) According to the Center for Polyurethanes Industry, there are three common methods for recycling:
Industrial and post-consumer foam is re-ground into powders and used to produce new foam. Flexible foam underlay from carpets and mats is bonded together to make new padding products. Polyurethane granules are pressed, coated with a binder and then cured under heat and pressure. These pressed granules can be used to make parts like car floor mats and tire covers.

Steel and aluminum (wheels and wheel covers) If wheels and wheel covers have minimal scuffing or scratching, they can be resold as used parts. If wheels are not reusable, they can be sold as scrap, formed into briquettes and reshaped into other metal parts or accessories.
Metal, plastic and foam (car seats) 95 percent of the materials used to make a car seat can be reclaimed. Car seats are dismantled and parts are separated for standard recycling (metal, plastic and foam).

Olga and Oleg, none of us are experts in the field, rather tnan mocking and insulting please presenta valid opposing argument,supported by some credible data.
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Any thinking person understands that these gas guzzlers were better off on the road.
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You presume that I think and understand less than you?
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I like how these eco-friendly peacenick commie hippie tree huggers haven't the first clue about what they're talking about.
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Such hatred from a person entrusted with shaping and molding impressionable young minds.*-)

Who said I was talking about you? And unlike my militant liberal co-workers I don't shape or mold anyone's brains. I'm not a brainwashing aficionado. Typical liberal agenda - shape/mold by teachers and media.
AND those polyurethane products are not gonna grind themselves unless Obama and his fast talking pawns chew them up for us.

And YOUR credible data from Center for Polyurethanes Industry which just got a huge green light (parson the pun) and a giant government contract to pretend to recycle this into energy efficient environmentally friendly that is valid?
Either way you slice it, the floor mats are more energy efficient NOW on the floor of the car than they will be after a very expensive and cumbersome process of converting them into anything else.

Who said I was talking about you? And unlike my militant liberal co-workers I don't shape or mold anyone's brains. I'm not a brainwashing aficionado. Typical liberal agenda - shape/mold by teachers and media.
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Funny, I don't have similar terms of endearment for my conservative coworkers, I actually don't even think of people in those terms... Agenda??? More like twisted conspiracy theory of yours, because I have yet to see any evidence of any brainwashing. And you don't need to be an aficionado to influence young minds, the type of language you use when referring to people who don't share your views, is more than sufficient.

Who said I was talking about you?
Any thinking person understands that these gas guzzlers were better off on the road.
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Well, if I'm not yet convinced that these cars are better off on the road, according to you, I'm not a thinking person.
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And YOUR credible data from Center for Polyurethanes Industry which just got a huge green light (parson the pun) and a giant government contract to pretend to recycle this into energy efficient environmentally friendly that is valid?
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My data, credible or not, trumps any information you have presented so far (none)... As for your opinion on the subject, well, we all have one...

gosh Lina...
I was out for a month, changed groups here you are still going at it.
Argument for a sake of argument...
Gets boring... may be not for you, but for other people?...

Gosh Yulya, I'm not quite sure who you are? I don't post here that often, and what argument? Simply presenting my point of view - what is your reason for posting in this thread? -Just to hear see yourself talk write? And your insightful comment was almost as exciting as watching a coat of paint dry,yet not quite as deep.(F)

No, Lina, you're not a thinking person. You're a whiny annoying girl woman. Why don't you go plant an herb garden, organize a community, recycle a tampon. Just refrain from addressing me in the future. I talk to idiots all year long. I need a summer of rest.

Only an idiot would refer to others as such...It is unfortunate that you don't hear yourself. Recycle a tampon you say? Now that's real class...
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as for referring to us whiny, peace loving, herb garden planting liberals as militant, hope you realize that it's practically an oxymoron, and I'mconfident your "idiot" coworkers are enjoying their time away from you, as well - can't imagine working with someone who hates me that much,constantly on the verge of snapping and going postal.It's no surprise America is lagging in education.

8 out of 10 cars sold under this program are NON American brands.
50% are not assembled in USA
Number 1 selling car is Toyota Corolla
NONE of the Obama-mobiles (GM and Chrysler) made top 10.
Way to recover tax payers investment in GM and Chrysler (N)
Guess who is not getting a car salesmen of the year award?

Furthermore, what will this do to the used car market, the usedparts marketand the scrap metal industry?
The used car dealers are sufferring greatly as they are losing out on the 4% of the used car market. Furthermore, how many people get priced out of buying a used car because the really inexpensive, affordable cars have been scrapped?

The scrap industry is getting flooded, so prices are going down, on the other hand the the used carparts prices will go through the roof as the parts being scrapped rather than reused or recycled...

I would like to see less opinions and more data. If the cars that are being scrapped are anything like my dad's (and even his didn't qualify), then trust me, there is no demand in the used car market for those clunkers.

DETROIT (AP) — Shoppers are snapping up cars and trucks so quickly that General Motors Co. is boosting production for the rest of the year to keep up with Cash for Clunkers demand.
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GM said Tuesday it would add 60,000 vehicles to its production schedule in the third and fourth quarters and bring back about 1,350 laid-off workers. The company now plans to make 535,000 cars and trucks during July-September.
That would amount to a 35 percent increase from the depressed second quarter, while production in the final three months of the year will rise another 20 percent.
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The Cobalt, GM's highest-mileage car at up to 37 mpg on the highway, once was among the top 10 vehicles on the "cash for clunkers" purchase list. Dealers say shortages have bumped it from the top 10 list.

Top Ten Cash for Clunker Sellers
1: Ford Focus
2: Toyota Corolla
3: Honda Civic
4: Toyota Prius
5: Toyota Camry
6: Ford Escape
7: Hyundai Elantra
8: Dodge Caliber
9: Honda Fit
10: Chevrolet Cobalt

Thus far, 83% of trade-ins under the program are trucks, and 59% of new vehicle purchases are cars. Nearly half of new vehicles purchased under the program were from the Big 3. Detroit’s share in this program (45%) is equivalent to their overall share in the auto market (about 45%) – a couple points less than indicated in published reports yesterday.

че за нах?продажи автомобилй увеличиваются, старые кастрюли идут под молотки если такие программы проводить каждые 10 лет воздух будет значительно чище.

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1. Toyota Corolla
2. Honda Civic
3. Ford Focus
4. Toyota Camry
5. Toyota Prius
6. Hyundai Elantra
7. Ford Escape (front-wheel-drive)
8. Honda Fit
9. Nissan Versa
10. Honda CR-V (four-wheel-drive)
Neither of the Obama Motors companies make the top 10.

Lina, if we are going to just copy articles of the web and call it "data", here is one for you:
Clunkers program could drive used car prices up
USA TODAY
Hundreds of thousands of "clunkers" headed for scrappers may cause already rising prices for used cars to head even higher, dealers and market analysts warn.


The popular cash-for-clunkers program, extended by Congress last week with $2 billion more in federal incentives, requires that all the old fuel guzzlers traded in are scrapped — not resold. That means up to 750,000 vehicles will never find their way into the hands of another owner.



Now, the clunker program could cause prices to rise 5% to 10% more, especially for vehicles worth $4,500 or less, says Alec Gutierrez, senior market analyst for <FONT color=#00529b>Kelley Blue Book
. "It's going to drive prices up of some of the most affordable vehicles we have on the road."

"White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says the average fuel economy increase so far is 9.4 mpg; a 61% increase." Based on the first 80,000 sales, "83% of the vehicles traded in have been trucks, while 60% of the vehicles purchased under the program have been cars." The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins:
1.1998 Ford Explorer
2. 1997 Ford Explorer
3.1996 Ford Explorer
4. 1999 Ford Explorer
5.Jeep Grand Cherokee
6. Jeep Cherokee
7. 1995 Ford Explorer
8. 1994 Ford Explorer
9. 1997 Ford Windstar
10. 1999 Dodge Caravan

Lina, not sure what the point of that post is, but all those trucks that were traded in are the trucks that would normally be bought by small businesses for their transportation. Now these businesses will have to buy newer more expensive used cars or go without...

So comparing the "trade-in" list with the "new cars bought" list it looks like we are taking American cars off the road and replacing them with primarily foreign cars. So not only the car parts prices will go up, the demand for American car parts will plummet too

GM said Tuesday it would add 60,000 vehicles to its production schedule in the third and fourth quarters and bring back about 1,350 laid-off workers. The company now plans to make 535,000 cars and trucks during July-September.
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The Cobalt, GM's highest-mileage car at up to 37 mpg on the highway, once was among the top 10 vehicles on the "cash for clunkers" purchase list. Dealers say shortages have bumped it from the top 10 list.

Lina, are we just going to keep re-posting the same articles over and over? Aren't you capable to make your a point in your own words?

So Ok, according to this article you keep on reposting, there might have been3 (out of 10!)American cars on the top ten list. Whoohoo...what a way to spend my money...

There were four on the list that I posted below, also, according to one of the articles, shortages bumped one of the GM cars from the top 10list - perhaps they're not able to keep up with the demand, furthermore, "Nearly half of new vehicles purchased under the program were from the Big 3", "83% of trade-ins under the program are trucks, and 59% of new vehicle purchases are cars" - good for the environment and the pocketbook,GM brought back some of the laid of workers and increased production... I thought the point I was making was rather obvious...