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post #161 Старый 27.12.2009, 14:10
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2. Eliminatespecial statutory authority granting environmental groups standing tobring lawsuits on behalf of the public, since their main purpose is topursue the Statist’s agenda through litigation.

That would be a very welcome development as well.
For example, the Katrina disaster would not have been the magnitude is was if not for the Sierra club. They completely blocked through litigation all the efforts to reinforce the now infamous levis in New Orleans.
The Federal money were there for the project, but the Sierra club stopped it.
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post #162 Старый 27.12.2009, 14:12
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3. Fightall efforts to use environmental regulations to set governmentalindustrial policies and diminish the nation’s standard of living, suchas “cap-and-trade” to regulate “man-made climate change”.
MIke, what do you object about this point of the manifesto?
We now all learned about the corrupted junk science behind the "cap and trade" legislation.
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post #163 Старый 27.12.2009, 14:16
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You know, guys, I have no idea how many of you deal with the EPA and other organizations of this sort regularly. We do. EPA, OSHA, JACHO, etc, etc.... None of them have nothing to do with any "right" or "left" agenda. All of them are a necessary evil. Poorly run, full of BS, maddeningly idiotic, waste of our taxpayers money - but necessary nonetheless. Because without those organizations the whole industrial landscape would be a wild, wild West. Just like Mike and Alexei described. There are not that many chemical manufacturers who would, like my husband, spend years to assure their plants have not a single leak, not even neutral. It takes time, money, manpower and special idealism. So we do need these regulations. How it's done - it's the whole other story....
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post #164 Старый 27.12.2009, 15:00
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We deal with all that crap, JACHO, especially, all the time. It's 85% load of crap. 15% -needed stuff.
And on the big scheme, it's not as benign as you see it Julia. The really vicious progressives are pushing their anti-capitalist agenda via EPA. Who goes to work there? Look at the individuals... I doubt it's the successful business people. It's the people with social agenda. It's been well documented.
Just buy and read Mark Levin's book for starters.
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post #165 Старый 27.12.2009, 15:01
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And of course we need reasonable regulations to protect us from real poisons. It's OBVIOUS!!!
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post #166 Старый 27.12.2009, 16:24
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And of course we need reasonable regulations to protect us from real poisons. It's OBVIOUS!!!
Yes, indeed. The devil, of course, is in the details. What are those "real poisons"? Are they classified in some book that everyone agrees to be a credible and established source?
I recall some time ago executives from tobacco companies testified that "cigarettes are not addictive". Tobacco does contain poison (nicotine) -- so did they lie? One can argue that the amount of nicotine is small, so what? Well, maybe the amount of dioxine in our rivers is also small, so the poison is not "poisonous", right?
P.S. I don't endorse govt pounding on tobacco companies -- everyone chooses their own poison -- but it is an example of how "obvious" regulations can be.
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post #167 Старый 27.12.2009, 17:23
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The detail are very important. You treat every one of them with a lot of scrutiny. Because the regulations have real life implications for millions of people.
Take for instance a ridiculous laww that congress passed this year: it requires all children toy and clothes makers to undergo extensive testing for every little thing and detail in their inventory which may contain lead. Many part do contain small amounts of lead which is not bio-available in any way and does not reprersent any danger. Nevertheless, догматы под чутким руководством мадам Пелози, passed draconian new law. Since then, thousands of small business went bancropt because they could not afford to send all their inventory to the testing centers.
Case of complete bureaucratic idiocy .:-S
And these people will be in charge of our health soon.:-|
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post #168 Старый 28.12.2009, 01:08
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Maria, i object to the fact that the "environment manifesto" does not talk about the environment, just a bunch of political slogans.
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post #169 Старый 28.12.2009, 03:43
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Overruled! (ch)
Встречаются двое глухих. Один с веником, тазиком в баню идёт. Другой его спрашивает
- Ты в баню?
- Нет, я в баню иду
- Аа, а я думал ты в баню!
- Нет, что ты, я в баню.
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post #170 Старый 28.12.2009, 03:49
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Mike either ignores (the Elephant in the room) or does not understands:
Today's Environmentalism is a political movement with the goal to achieve a total control over all aspects of our lives... fascism.
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